MR. HATFIELD: Mrs. Homer Wilson, please. (A man began to come forward.)

MR. HATFIELD: Mrs. Homer Wilson. Thank you. Peggy Wilson. I'm sorry.

PEGGY WILSON, being first duly sworn, testified as follows during DIRECT EXAMINATION by MR. HATFIELD:

1965

Q    Would you state your name, please.

A    Peggy Wilson.

Q    And you're the mother of the woman who just testified; is that correct?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    And the wife of the gentleman who misunderstood and stepped up for a second, Homer Wilson; is that right?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    Now, you are very well acquainted with Ron Kimble and Edna, their children, and James and Judy Stump, aren't you?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    Have you been a member of Ron Kimble's church for a long time?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    How long is that?

A    13, 14 years.

Q    Now, throughout those years, have you and your husband been extremely active in the church?

A    Yes.

Q    And based upon your activities there, did you have a chance to observe both Ted Kimble and Ronnie Kimble?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    Do you know whether Ted and Ronnie Kimble were close as -- were they friends?

A    They were friends, but they weren't real -- they were

1966

not close.

Q    Do you know what the difference in age between those two boys is?

A    I think it's about two years.

Q    And did you -- of your own knowledge, did you see them participating in activities together?

A    Only in church activities.

Q    Only in church activities?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    And you never saw them socializing away from church or in connection with school or anything like that?

A    No, sir.

Q    Now, you knew that Ronnie Kimble had spent the almost four years, up until August (sic) 1st of last year, in the Marine Corps; is that right?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    And during that period, was he basically living wherever the Marine Corps took him?

A    Yes.

MR. PANOSH: We object to leading, please.

Q    And did your --

THE COURT: Overruled. Don't lead, sir.

MR. HATFIELD: I'll try to not lead people.

Q    Did you -- did your daughter form some sort of friendship with Kim during that period?

1967

A    Well, she's known Kim all of her life.

Q    All of her life?

A    Yes.

Q    Did there come a time when Kim and your daughter lived together for a while?

A    Yes.

Q    Can you tell the jury the circumstances of that.

A    Kim was -- did not like to stay by herself, so she asked Sherry if she would come and stay with her. And Sherry would stay with her during the week and then come home on the weekends when Ronnie was home.

Q    Now, did you meet any of the young men from the Marine Corps that Ronnie brought back to Greensboro?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    Did you ever meet Neil Silverthorne?

A    Only at Ronnie and Kim's wedding.

Q    And did he participate in that wedding?

A    I believe so.

Q    And did you also know another friend of Ronnie's named Charles Dunn?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    Do you know -- how long have you known Charles?

A    Eight or 10 years, probably.

Q    Okay. Now, after Neil Silverthorne, did you meet a young man named Justin Dobesh?

1968

A    I only met him once.

Q    One time?

A    (The witness nodded her head up and down.)

Q    Do you know whether or not your daughter dated Justin Dobesh on occasion?

A    Yes, she did.

Q    Do you know how many times she did?

A    Only four or five times.

Q    Now, your daughter's diary that has been introduced into evidence, were you familiar with the fact that she kept a diary?

A    No.

Q    Have you had a chance to see it, or is that something that just belongs to her?

A    That's hers.

Q    Now, did you know that officers had requested that your-- daughter give a statement back in March of 1997 concerning her acquaintanceship with Mr. Dobesh and Mr. Dziadaszek and Ronnie Kimble?

A    I know that they came to the school, she's a student at UNCG, and they came to the school and got her out of class

Q    Do you know --

A    -- and took it from her.

Q    -- why they wouldn't simply contact her at your home?

1969

A    No, sir, I don't have any idea.

Q    Was it embarrassing to her to be called out of class?

MR. PANOSH: Object, please.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q    If you know. Did your daughter tell you how she felt about being called out of class?

MR. PANOSH: Object, please.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q    At any time around March of 1997, did your daughter tell you the circumstances of being interviewed by these investigators?

A    Yes, she did.

Q    She told you all the circumstances of it?

A    Probably. I don't remember everything that she said, but --

Q    Did she tell you that she had fully answered every question that they asked?

A    Yes.

Q    Did she tell you how she felt about being asked all these questions?

MR. PANOSH: Object.

MR. HATFIELD: Well, she -­

THE COURT: Overruled.

MR. HATFIELD: -- just got through testifying -­

THE COURT: Overruled.

1970

MR. HATFIELD: Yes, sir.

Q    Go ahead, please.

A    It made her nervous.

Q    Now, did there come a time subsequently to that when the same investigators came to talk to your daughter again?

A     Yes, sir.

Q    When was that?

A    August the 3rd, on Monday, August the 3rd.

Q    Is that the day this trial began?

A    Yes, sir, it was.

Q    Now, is it a fact that your daughter was subpoenaed by Mr. Panosh's office to be a witness?

A    Yes.

Q    And were you present when Mr. Church and Mr. Pendergrass came to your house?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    What time was it?

A    It was about 7:00 o'clock.

Q    Was it dark?

A    No.

Q    Where were you and your daughter going?

A    We were going to dinner.

Q    Was Homer, your husband, around at that time?

A    No, sir.

Q    Tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what

1971

happened.

A    They pulled up in the driveway. My car was running.  We were already in the car. It was running. They pulled up in the driveway. And we just kind of looked at each other and said, "Oh, no." And they got out of the car, and we got out of mine, and we walked toward each other. And they asked her if she knew who they were, and she said yes. I had never met either one of them. And she said yes, she knew who they were. So they introduced themselves. They said, "We have some questions we'd like to ask." And she said, "I don't have anything to say to you." She said, "I am a witness for Ronnie."

They continued to walk toward her. They walked up -­walked her on up to my car. It was like they pushed her. -- that's the way I felt, that she was being pushed. She was up against my car. One was on one side and one was on the other. And they continued to talk and ask questions.

Q    How long did this last?

A    Probably 15, 20 minutes.

Q    And during that time, did your daughter indicate to them at any other time that she didn't want to talk to them any further?

A    Yes.

Q    And did you -- afterwards, did your daughter tell you how she felt about this?

1972

A    Yes.

Q    What did she say?

A    She said she was very intimidated by it.

MR. HATFIELD: No further questions.

CROSS-EXAMINATION by MR. PANOSH:

Q    When you present during the conversation?

A    Yes.

Q    Did you get the impression that the officers did not have a copy of this diary, and they were asking her specific questions about the entries?

A    They were asking specific questions. They did have a copy of the diary.

Q    But did you get the impression they didn't have a copy the first time they talked to her?

A    They didn't give me any impression -- they didn't say anything about the first time.

Q    Did your daughter tell you whether or not she had given them a copy?

A    They had a copy. I don't know where they got it.

Q    Did your daughter say whether or not she had given them that copy?

A    No.

Q    Now, you did receive a subpoena from the State -- or your daughter did?

A    Yes.

1973

Q    And also, a follow-up letter, asking her to make an appointment; is that right?

A    I don't believe so.

Q    You didn't get that follow-up letter?

A    No, sir.

Q    In any event, when she did appear, did we make accommodations, so she could continue to go to school?

MR. HATFIELD: Objection. They don't have any right to stop her from going to school.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q    Well, was anyone rude to you or in any way insult you during this process?

A    The only time I felt that anybody was rude to me was when they came to the house that particular night.

Q    And they were rude to you?

A    Well, I say me. They were rude to me, because she is my daughter, and it affects me, also.

Q    Well, they didn't prevent you from standing there listening, did they?

A    No.

Q    And you never said, "Can we do this someplace else?" did you?

A    No.

Q    And if you'd have said, "Can we get in the car now and leave?" they would have let you, wouldn't they?

1974

A    I'm sure they would have.

Q    Based upon your total observation of that conversation over those 15 or so minutes, they were there to clarify specific dates and some information; is that right? A    Well, I told them that I felt like they were putting words in her mouth, and that's how I felt.

Q    All right. But they were there to find out what? What were they asking her about?

A    They were asking about the statement that she had talked to them about on -- in March.

Q    And they -- were they asking her specifically if Justin Dobesh was there on the weekend of October the 6th and thereafter?

A    I don't know the specific questions they asked.

Q    You can't remember that?

A    No, sir.

Q    But in any way -- in any event, your daughter made it very clear that she was a friend and a witness for Ronnie? A  Yes.

MR. PANOSH: No further questions.

REDIRECT EXAMINATION by MR. HATFIELD:

Q     Do you know what they said to her that made you feel that they were putting words in her mouth?

A    No, sir. I don't remember the statements that they made.

1975

Q    Were they arguing with her about what she said her

diary meant?

A    They were almost to the point, yes.

Q    Of arguing with her?

A    Yes.

Q    So much so that you felt they were trying to put words in her mouth?

A    Yes.

Q    In other words, if she didn't say what they wanted her to say, they were going to have to keep talking to her, right?

A    Yes.

MR. HATFIELD: Thank you very much.

RECROSS-EXAMINATION by MR. PANOSH:

Q    Ma'am, you said that you saw these boys participate together in church activities, but you didn't see them participate together in school activities?

MR. LLOYD: Well, objection, Your Honor. Beyond the scope of redirect.

THE COURT: Sustained.

MR. PANOSH: Directly as to what she said, Your Honor.

THE COURT: You may answer the question, ma'am.

A    Would you ask it again, please.

Q    Did you say that you didn't see them participate in

1976

school activities together?

A    I did not see them participate in school activities.

Q    Were you at that school?

A    Yes.

Q    And what purpose?

A    Both my daughters were students there.

Q    And you confirmed that she and -- that your daughter and Kimberly lived together for a period of time, November of '95 through approximately April of '96, at Ronnie's trailer?

A    Yes.

Q    And you've sat through this trial, most of it; is that correct?

A    Yes, sir.

Q    Did you hear the testimony about Edna and Ronnie, Sr., claiming to be living there, so that --

MR. HATFIELD: Objection.

Q    -- Ted could receive --

MR. HATFIELD: Can't call on my witness to -­

THE COURT: Sustained.

MR. PANOSH: No further.

MR. HATFIELD: Nothing further. Thank you.

THE COURT: Step down, ma'am.