Interview: Carl Gerbaur in reference to
MEMO TO FILE
RE: CARL GERBAUR
DATE: APRIL 15, 1997
On April 14, 1997 I drove to Yanceyville Jail in Caswell County and
visited Carl Gerbaur in jail. Our meeting began at 4 p.m. Mr.
Gerbaur appears to be 19 to 20 years of age. He is a slender, good
looking, white male with blond hair cut in an unusual fashion. He
was very receptive to meeting with me but he obviously preferred to
talk about his own case rather than the facts known to him about
Mr. Gerbaur explained to me he had just had a bitter argument with
his court appointed attorney, a woman with a good reputation in that
county, who had told him that he was very likely facing a long
Mr. Gerbaur explained to me that his girl friend was in the
Yanceyville Jail also under the same or similar charges and both
have court appointed attorneys. He is unable to communicate with his
The facts of their cases are that two juveniles knew that an older
man named Blackstock (??) had guns in his house and they had stolen
guns from him a day or two before. The juveniles asked Carl and his
girl friend to drive them to the target residence to get the guns.
They waited outside and the juveniles returned with. six or seven
rifles and shotguns. All four drove to Greensboro and stayed at the
house of Gerbaur's mother Sandy. The next day the juveniles returned
to Caswell County and apparently were apprehended or voluntarily
confessed their involvement in the burglary. Individuals in
Greensboro came to Gerbaur's house at his request and picked up the
guns. One gun was left because Carl had promised it to somebody
else. When the police arrived at Gerbaur's house, they asked for
consent to search and found the guns clearly taken in the burglary.
Carl confessed and both he and his girl friend are in the
Yanceyville Jail as a result.
I told Mr. Gerbaur that it appeared to me that they had a very
strong case and there did not seem to be any glaring constitutional
defense. Accordingly it did not appear he would be successful in a
jury trial. Mr. Gerbaur mentioned the Impact
I told him he should talk to his court appointed lawyer about that.
I told him if he could get his charge reduced to felony B&E and get
in the Impact Program, then be put on probation, this would be an
outstanding result. Mr. Gerbaur then indicated that although he
wanted me to promise to help him in Caswell County that nevertheless
he would share some of the information he had.
He told me that for a period of time including 1995, he and Benjie
Hudson were best friends. He said Benjie Hudson was heavily into
drugs and that he could recall an occasion when Benjie called him
between 6 and 7 p.m. and told him that a house was on fire and a
woman's dead body was inside. Carl indicated when he saw the
incident on TV he realized Benjie could not have had that
information at the time unless he was directly involved. Weeks later
he and Benjie were tripping on acid when Benjie became hysterical.
He said while he was having sex with a woman he shot her in the head
and then left her body to burn in a house fire. Carl indicated his
sister Brandy was not present at the acid trip. This is contrary to
what Sandy told me over the telephone. When I asked Carl it was
unclear to him whether Benjie told him about the fire and the
woman's body over the telephone or in person. Carl indicated that he
had told this story to the Guilford County Sheriff's Department, who
he thought might have been Detective Church.
When I asked Carl if he would permit me to tape record our
conversation he angrily refused and at first told me he would give
me no information without help from me on his cases. Our meeting
lasted one and one-half hours.