Gary Reilly Interview with Ted Kimble
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This is Gary Reilly,
Maryland Casualty Insurance Company. Right now it is October 16th,
1995 at 9:45 A.M. and I'm interviewing Mr. Ted Kimble.... Kimble in
reference to a loss that occurred at his house on October 9th, 1995.
Mr. Kimble, do you
understand this conversation is being recorded?
Q: And is being recorded with your permission?
Q: Okay. Can you please state your full name?
A: Theodore M. Kimble.
Q: And your date of birth?
Q: And your Social Security Number?
Q: And your address please?
A: 2104 Brandon Station Court. Pleasant Garden, North Carolina 27313.
Q: Okay. How long have you lived at that address?
A: A solid 2 years.
Q: Okay. And, uh, who's name is the house in?
A: Patricia G. Kimble.
Q: Okay. Were you ever added to the mortgage?
Q: Now, can you, uh, can you tell me who Patricia Anne Blakely is...
or Kimble, I mean?
A: My wife.
Q: Um, and how long have
you known your wife?
A: Three or four.... about more like 5 years.
Q: Five years you've known her?
A: I've known her for 5 years. Been married for 2. I can't recall when
we started dating.
Q: She owned the house prior to you, uh
A: Yes. I met her when she got the house.
Q: You met her when she bought the house?
A: Yes. I was dating a relative and I went to a house warming party.
That's how we met.
Q: Okay. And you been dating her ever since, I guess?
A: Uh, we dated off and on and then we found that we couldn't be
apart. I can honestly say I married my best friend.
Q: Okay. Can I ask you who the relative was that you were dating
before you met your wife?
A: Her cousin.
It was her cousin? What was her name?
A: Uh, Janet Blakely.
Q: Janet Blakely. Can you, uh, give me your address prior to moving
A: 6318 Liberty Road, Julian, North Carolina 27383. I'm not sure
that's an accurate zip code.
Q: Okay. And how long did you live at that address?
A: Couple years. I was with my parents. We, uh, lived like a mile away
on Li.... Monet Road
and we built a house _____.
Q: You lived on Monet Road before you moved over to the other house?
A: Liberty Road. Yeah. I lived at home with my parents.
Okay. And the Liberty Road address was also with your parents?
Q: And then after that you moved in, uh...... ?
A: With Patricia
Q: What's your date of birth again, I'm sorry?
Q: Okay. Can you give me a synopsis of.... of what occurred with this
incident, the burning of the house, as you know it?
A: Uh, best of my knowledge, she went home early to mow the grass and
what we believe......
A: I mean.....
Q: I guess.... wh.... where were you at I guess when....?
A: I was at work. I went in at 8 o'clock that morning, here at the
shop, uh. I got off at 5:30. I remember once I left the lot, I
proceeded down the street to hand my mother her dog 'cause I
babysitted for her and I handed her the dog and went to my other job.
At 6 o'clock I arrived.
Q: Where's your other job at?
A: Precision Fabrics on Meadowview.
Q: On Meadowview?
Q: Okay. What do you do there?
A: I work in the lamination department. Bill Harris is my supervisor.
His phone number there is 910-379-3165.
Q: Okay. Thank you. And
how long.. .. you got there about 6 o'clock that night you say?
A: I got there at 6 o'clock.
Q: And what happened
A: I got harassed for being late. But they knew I was going to be
late. I told them the prior week that I would have to be closing the
shop here due to the fact my dad would be out of town on vacation.
Q: Who harassed you for being late?
A: Uh, the other employees were picking on me, looking at their watch,
and giving me a hard time about being late.
Q: Do you remember any of the guys?
A: Uh, yeah. Ron, Mike, my uh shift, my lead man on second _____ , he uh...... I
was working him. But there were several others. I mean, I just
remember Ron being on that shift. He was giving me the hardest time
about it. So was the guy on first shift who was still there and he
was.... Everybody, you know how they do, they look at your wa....
their watch and harass you about it.
Q: Mike was the lead man at the time? He was the... the supervisor?
A: Yeah. He was... like he's the lead on second. Bill Harris normally
leaves 5, 5:30. Anyway, half the guys on the shift knew what time I
come in 'cause I wasn't there at the beginning of the shift.
Q: What time does the shift usually start?
A: It's starts at 3 o'clock. It runs from 3 to 11.
Q: But because you were here `til 5 o'clock....
Q: Til 5.... You were here 'til 5:30?
A: Yeah. We... we are open 8 to 5:30 weekdays, 8 to 1 on Saturday.
Q: So you had to close here at 5:30 before you went over there?
Q: Was there anybody here when you closed?
A: Uh, yes. Uh, James,
uh, I just call him James. I forgot his last name. He's right out
there if you would like to talk to him. I closed here at 5:30. At 5:45
I was down the street with my mother.
Q: You dropped the dog off, correct?
A: Correct She works on Meadowview right down here. But Meadowview
also shoots across
town. I say across town way over across _____ which is out where my other
job is. I was able to meet her right down the street, hand her the
dog, and drive straight down Meadowview to my job.
Q: Okay. And you got to work at 6 o'clock?
Q: Uh, okay. While at work, everything was going normal, no problems?
A: No problems.
Q: Okay. What occurred at that point?
A: Um, I was working. I realized what time it was and I started trying
to reach my wife because she hadn't paged me. The agreement was when
she got done mowing grass that she'd page me to let me know that she
was off the lawn mower and doing fine and she hadn't paged and it was
8 o'clock, 8:15 somewhere in there. My, uh, she was supposed to have
paged me like at 6:30.
Q: So what happened?
A: I called around trying to find her. I paged her and she never
returned my page. I called her... my brother-in-law, her brother and
got him to go and look for her and he went to my house and found that
it was on fire. I got another page and I called in. When I, uh, the
other person answered on the telephone they said get home, your house
is on fire. I immediately told someone that I had to leave, which was,
they call him Rooster, his nickname. Can't remember his real name. Uh,
that's what he goes by. I dashed out the door and went straight home
to find that my house was swamped with firemen and pretty much had the
fire under control.
Q: I'm sorry. You said you called your brother-in-law?
A: My brother...... brother-in-law.
A: Rubin Blakely. His
phone number is 674-6426.
Q: Is that his house or does he live with his parents?
A: He lives in, uh, Deerfield, uh,_____ just across, near the county line,
Q: How far is that away from your house?
A: 5 miles.
Q: Five miles away from your house? So that's why you called him
'cause he's the closest to your house? You said yes, right?
Q: Okay. Now, who
called.... you called your brother-in-law to...to check on your wife.
Somebody called you back at the shop or paged you?
A: They paged me. Uh,
that was my, uh, sister-in-law, his wife's mother. I cannot recall her
Q: Okay, your
Q: Your sister-in-law's
mother called, paged you back. And who's phone number did she put in
A: Her house.
Q: Her phone. Okay, and you called?
A: I called her and she said to get to your house.
Q: And that was your sister-in-law's mother who told you that?
Q: Just out of curiosity, urn, do you know why your sister-in-law's
mother called you back and not your brother-in-law?
A: They couldn't reach me. They're saying their phone wasn't working
in the area they were in apparently. Uh, something happened to the
battery I understand.
Q: And then you went to
the fire scene then at that point, right?
A: Of course.
Q: Okay. When you got to the fire scene obviously you saw a lot of
commotion, you went to talk to the firemen and policemen and you found
out what had happened as far as your... your wife being inside in the
fire trap. Urn, was there anybody with you during this... during this
A: Family members.
Q: Were with you at your house?
Q: And, urn, did they follow you from that point through the rest of
the night or....?
Q: Is there any
particular family member?
Q: I mean, your family
or your wife's family. What, like your brother, your father?
A: Um...My dad was out
of town like I said at a job at the University and _____ that night, he got
in about 4 in the morning but my mother, and her brother, sister, my
brother, my mother and all them had all been arranged, they
congregated there and from there we went to the church to pray and,
uh, we had, they save there was over 100 people at the church who came
at that night who were there until like 4 in the morning praying. We
had an overwhelming response.
Q: Was any of her family
members there as well?
A: I said her father,
her mother, I think I said her brother.
Q: I'm sorry. Had you
received any, any threats prior to this?
A: No. We had no
enemies. I mean, she had, she managed 120 apartments. She was property
manager at 7 or 8 apartments off Webster Road and Southway Drive. Uh,
we know of a few incidences where she had been threatened by
residents, like one name, Sandra or something, had threatened her a
couple of months ago, but you know, of course, they say most of these
things never carry over as far as threats. That one and
throw some people out of
the swimming pool, a black guy, it was a few black guys and a woman,
told her if they ever caught her on the street, _____ , you know, other than
those two instances, I can't think about, I mean, we're in church,
regularly, you know, good Christian friends, I just couldn't imagine
anybody we know doing something like that.
Q: Okay, how about you? Any threats against you?
A: No. I have no enemies. I've never met a stranger I won't go out of
my way to help. It's what we don't understand. It doesn't make sense.
Q: Okay, the two threats that you said that she received, said one
from a Sandra?
A: Sandra, yes. You can check the employees there at the complex. The
number there is 2741518. It's Senator Ridge Apartments.
Q: And that's where she used to work?
Q: And that's where her office was as well? That's where her office......
Q: Was that Sandra thrown out of the apartment complex?
A: She was evicted, yes.
Q: Did your wife feel that this threat was a possible legitimate
A: She had said that she was scared because the woman had made several
threats to a lot of people and that was the only reason she was trying
to get out because she was on drugs and she was flying off the walls,
she would stand in people's way and just would not move or she threw
stuff at people. She had went on a rampage one day, had some cops
there, and she was, it was just very hard to get her evicted. And had
to take her to court more or less to get her out.
Q: And you said these other two people that were thrown out of the
pool, do you have any idea who they were?
A: No, they claimed to be relatives of someone there but the someone
there they were claiming to be relatives to died the month before, a
month or two before, and they were claiming that this uncle lived
right over here in this apartment.
Q: Do you remember the
name of those people?
A: No. I mean, they didn't live there. They were from outside just
claiming to be kin to.
Q: Do you know who they were claiming to be kin to?
A: I was standing across the property when I seen this going on, on a
three-story ladder _____
together and I seen these, these guys jumping up and down making
threats. I mean, I couldn't hear what was said, I just heard them
yelling. By the time I got off the ladder and started up there, they
were up by the car, driving off, flying out of the parking lot.
Q: Did you work there?
A: I occasionally helped her do some things. Her maintenance man is
scared of heights and
they've got a three-story building. And he wouldn't get up on a five
Q: So you would just fill in?
A: Yea, I would help her out and do things. That way she wouldn't have
to call in a contractor
to come out there _____ roof, downspout was falling down.
Q: Did you store any
flammables in the house?
A: Not that I'm aware
Q: Did you have gasoline
in the house?
Q: No gasoline in the house at all?
A: No. There was an empty five gallon gas can found in the kitchen
which at one time was kept in the garage.
Q: Okay, that was your gas can then?
Q: And it was in the garage?
Q: Do you remember when
the last time you filled that gas can up?
A: Last month.
Q: Last month? Had you used it, was it filled to the top?
A: It was pretty full. Last time I seen it, it was full but I could
not recall because a few weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago, she cut the
grass but I knew the lawn mower was pretty full and I filled the gas
can up and here it is two weeks later and we had like 40 people over
our house from our church a couple of weeks ago. So we, she cut the
grass and I weeded and everything. Got everything ready and we had a
Luau-type thing party for all our church friends. Anyway, a week
later, here it is, I knew the lawn mower would be empty so I had the
gas can sitting out for her to fill it up and apparently she never
filled it up. The lawn mower had never been moved.
Q: Oh, the lawn mower had never been moved?
Q: She had never got chance to cut the grass?
A: Right. I mean, convincing between all of us, we think she walked in
on somebody, the back half of the house had been trashed, urn look
like somebody was trying to drag my big old toolbox out the door. It'd
been moved out to the middle of the floor which I kept against the
back wall. Uh, possibly walked in on, you know, something happened,
she got shot. They got the gas can out of the garage, doused the
house, tried to burn the evidence.
Q: You work here until 5:30. Did you stay here the whole time?
A: Yes, sir. Every minute which is unusual for me. I'm normally, you
know, out roaming around, going to look at materials and things for
the company, uh, you know, I normally go to lunch with her but with my
Dad being out of town, I couldn't leave because I couldn't turn my
office over to my help because we take in a lot of money and trust is
a different word when it comes to money. I've had problems in the past
working with people in the office and I don't allow anybody but my
father and I to run the office so that's, that's the reason I didn't
leave that day.
Q: So you were here that day from 8:30 until 5:30?
A: 8:00 to 5:30.
Q: And never left?
A: Never left.
Q: And you had regular employees around the whole time as well?
A: Yes, I have one right here, Tim, that I work, I've been working
with a month or so, couple of months, I've been around him a lot.
Q: What's his name?
A: It's Tim, Tim, uh, I
got from a temp agency.
A: Same one I've been
Q: Um, is he, was he the
only employee working here that day?
A: No, there's another
one here all the time. Employee named Steve. He's out there, too. He's
_________. But he was there.
Q: Has he, has he been
working for the company awhile?
No, he has not. He's only worked here a few times. Um, he can't read
and write. He's illiterate. He's a nice guy, you know, I'm trying to
work him to help him out. But I don't think he's going to work out.
But he was working here that day?
Yea, he was here that day.
Who owns this company?
Does, is your father and you partners in it?
A: No. Just helps me
out. He's full-time.
Q: So you own this
company and you also work for the other....
A: Yes. I just took that
job five months ago. _____ actually _____ full weeks. I'd hoped to double my
income over the winter months. This place, in the summer, it's busy
but in the winter it slows down. So I can easily work two jobs and
afford to pay myself, I'd be making twice the income. And it wouldn't,
it doesn't, I'm not as required to and that way I wouldn't have to
wouldn't have to be here _____.
Q: Okay, have you ever used any other social security numbers in your
A: No, of course not. I just know how.
Q: Have you ever used any other date of birth in your past?
Q: Have you ever been known by any other name?
Q: And your full name was?
A: Theodore E. Kimble.
Okay, uh, again, the house is owned by Patricia? It was in her name?
A: Yes. She didn't see any need for spending the money for lawyer's
fee to change the title.
Q: And she had actually owned it when it was a new house?
A: Yes. She bought it back in 199__ .
Q: Do you know who the
property was purchased by? Or purchased from?
Uh, Bob Owenbaugh.
Is he a Realtor?
Yes. I'm sorry, no. He is the builder..
A: He built my house.
Q: Do you know how much was paid for the house? Do you know how much
Pat bought the house for?
A: I don't recall. It was between seventy and eighty thousand.
Q: Do you know how much was owed on the house?
A: I guess uh, urn we've got a Line One Equity and I think we owe like
eighteen on the equity I guess maybe the regular mortgage I think we
owe like fifty-eight. We'd just made a house payment last, week before
last. I think it's around fifty-eight. You're looking at seventy-six
thousand. It was appraised a few months ago at ninety, I think
ninety-six thousand. Ninety-four or ninety-six, I can't recall.
Q: What were the, why did you have the appraisal done?
A: Uh we had Line One Equity establish it.
Q: Oh that's when you got the, the equity established?
A: Yeah. _____ my wife went on vacation in Williamsburg. We bought a time
Q: Did, did you put the eighteen thousand on the time share?
A: Urn rough estimate.
Q: What were your payments?
A: Uh I'm gonna be honest with you I'm not sure. I think it was around
five eighty, six hundred. I don't know. We never made the minimum
payment in our life.
Q: How much were....
A: We, I mean we got a thirty year mortgage and we don't owe but like
eighteen or nineteen years on it we been paying so much extra on it
and we've been, only been paying on that mortgage since, I think she
just refinanced before we got married just about three years. We're
doing pretty good. We were working hard at getting that house paid
Q: Do you remember approximately how much you were putting down on
A: I think we were paying like seven, eight hundred.
Q: Seven to eight
A: Uh I, I can't be reliable I, I didn't pay the bills.
Q: No I understand.
A: My wife handled, I mean I, I'm almost lost you know cause I'm not,
I kind of have an idea of what we owed but, you know, she handled all
the situ... bill situation. I'm not even sure at this point who my
mortgage is through. I've got to find out where to mail the payment.
Uh I'm kind of lost.
Q: No it, it's ....
A: I just want to, you know, I, I, I'm...
Q: These figures are approximate.
A: I'm generalizing, you
know, approximate, some where around there.
Q: Is there any way you can give me an idea of what other monthly
bills that you have?
A: Sure urn we had uh that Line One Equity uh....
Q: That was the one you just got in uh....
A: We got it this past, past, hadn't had that long we bought it this
past year. I think in the spring we bought that. That's how I knew, I
remembered the evaluation on....
Q: Spring of '95 right?
Q: Who was that with?
A: Um it's Nations Bank
uh Susan Kirkpatrick's the manager over there, phone number?
A: Kirkpatrick, yeah.
Q: Account _____.
A: Phone number 805-38, 3862.
Q: 805-3862 the Nations
A: Two, two blocks, I mean one block. It's on the same block as I am
on the other side of Mayberry around the corner?
Q: Does he have your loan uh line of equity?
Q: Do you have any other, what, what other uh.....
A: A boat payment like two hundred and five dollars. It's with Nations
Q: Same Nations Bank?
A: (No audible response)
Q: ________ what was
your, your line of equity is added to the mortgage correct?
A: (No audible response)
Q: What's your line, line of equity uh payment _____________
A: Urn I'm not sure. We
never made the minimum payment. I think we paid a couple hundred
dollars a month I would say. I'm thinking at least five. Now I do not
Q: Did you take out, did you use the whole line?
A: No it's twenty-five
Q: It was twenty-five thousand?
A: (No audible response).
Q: And you've used eighteen of it?
A: I don't, I say eighteen and that was the last time I, I mean it's
been a while. I'm not sure it might be seventeen thousand.
Q: Do you remember, do you remember exactly what you used the eighteen
A: Yeah I um all for the time share. It was a double time share.
Q: Double time share?
A: Yeah. I say double time share it was like they give you two for the
price of one. It was like
fifteen thousand and some dollars and I, I can't remember.... (This side
of tape ended)
This is Gary Reilly from Maryland Casualty Insurance Company. Right
now it's May, it's uh October 16th, 1995 at 10:20 a.m. I'm
interviewing Mr. Ted Kimble in reference to the fire loss.
Q: Mr. Kimble do you understand this conversation's being recorded?
Q: Do you understand this is side B of the tape?
Q: I'm sorry what were
you saying about the uh time share?
Q: It's a double time share?
A: Yeah. I say double, they give you two weeks _____ the price of one, I
mean, if you ever
go, go to, go to one you'll, you'll find out (laughs). They'll tell
you every... anything to get you to buy it.
Q: And you paid fifteen thousand for that?
Q: Is that fifteen thousand a year or is that a....
A: No that's fifteen thousand one time. You pay your maintenance fees,
they're like three hundred dollars a year but, of course, you get to
go and stay. Once you pay the fifteen you're, you, it's like buying a
week at a luxury resort for the rest of your life. And the annual fee
I think the maintenance fee's like three hundred dollars a year, three
hundred fifty, somewhere in there and uh in this situation we got like
two weeks because of double
occu... occupancy______ and uh so in other words, three hundred fifty
dollars a year, two
weeks out of the year, I get to go stay at a luxury resort. It was
something my wife wanted
uh I couldn't blame her I mean, you know, I, I wanted it as well_____ uh
you get to stay at these luxury places that you read about.
Q: Oh so it's not just
one place, they're all over the place?
A: Right. Well you go through RCI. I'm not going to go through a
seminar I mean, (laughs) I feel like a salesman.
A: You go through RCI and you can exchange your week here and go here
I mean they got places all over the world you can go.
Q: I see.
A: We loved to travel.
Q: Who was that with?
A: Uh that was Palapans _____ in Williamsburg, Virginia.
Q: Are they the ones that uh, urn are they the office or the
A: Yes. Uh well that's where we bought at.
Q: So if you needed to call and change uh set something up or change
resorts or whatever....
A: We'd call RCI cause we're a member of that.
Q: So RCI's actually management?
A: Correct. My wife handled all this. You're asking me stuff that....
Q: I understand.
A: Is irrelevant here.
Q: You're right. Okay uh okay you said the boat's two fifty-five and
that's through Nations Bank?
Q: And what else do you have?
A: My jeep. We just
bought a jeep to pull the boat (laughs). And uh it was, it was
twenty-nine thousand some with tax and tags and we financed like
twenty-three five, my payments are right at five hundred dollars.
Q: Five hundred a month?
A: Yes. Like four ninety _____ , right at five hundred dollars.
Q: And who's that financed through?
A: Nations Bank.
Q: Nations Bank. Is that it?
A: That's all.
Q: Um who do you have your savings account with?
A: Um Waucogee.
Q: Is that a bank?
A: Yeah Wachovia.
A: Oh you hadn't heard of them?
A: I can tell you from out of town. Wachovia's pretty _____ around
Q: How do you spell that?
A: Uh I was trying to remember. I think I got a, _____
Q: Where are they located at?
A: All over the place uh the uh, one of them I, we mostly go to is
over here at the mall,_____
Q: That's the one you go to the most? Is that like a main office or?
A: Uh it's just a
Q: Just a branch?
Q: Four seasons mall is that what you said?
A: Yeah. It's in the parking lot if you drive around the mall, around
the back side.
Q: Okay. And that's where you have your what?
A: Savings and checking and that stuff.
Q: For your personal stuff?
Q: Okay. Any other, any other things?
A: I have a uh I think I got a hundred dollars in a checking account
down here at uh Nations Bank and the reason we have that down there is
because we had the Line One Equity, you're supposed to do banking with
them if you get this and you're supposed to have that so anyway. I
don't remember how that came about.
Q: Okay. But you have one....
A: I got like a hundred dollars in it, yeah.
Q: How much you figure you have in Wachovia?
A: I have no idea. I just gave her my paycheck off my other job last
week she was supposed to deposit it and it was five hundred dollars.
My wife is the kind of person who felt like it was a waste of money to
be in the bank at one, two percent interest when you're paying nine
percent on a bill so anything we got we always paid it and, you know,
I didn't think about it but I think I owe a couple hundred dollars on
the credit cards. Uh we were supposed to have went to a marriage
retreat in Ridgecraft and several peop.... she booked the reservations
for like six or eight couples in my class. They gave her deposits of
cash but I don't know if she put it in the bank yet or I don't know
what happened to it but she used our credit card to book all the
people's reservations and they ended up not going because we had the
funeral so all that money, I mean, probably talking three or four
hundred dollars is on our credit card.
Q: That's all that's on
your credit card?
A: Yeah. I'm just saying you're asking....
Q: Yeah, yeah.
A: Everything, I think....
Q: I appreciate it.
A: I got a credit card down here at Nations Bank. I owe like a hundred
dollars there. I mean our debt ratio was low.
Q: Okay one at Nations Bank and what's that a, what kind of...
A: Nine percent.
Q: Is that a Visa or?
A: Yeah. Most everything we got is Visa or Master Card.
Q: And then what's the, what's the other one what bank's that at?
A: Uh Wachovia.
Q: That's Wachovia?
A: And also I got one, I don't think we owe it, well actually no, the
one at Wachovia I don't owe a dime on. We don't use that one. I
forgot. That tells you how often I use a credit card. That's what, you
know, I don't never use the thing.
Q: You said the one at Nations Bank is about a hundred dollars you owe
A: Yeah I think it's a hundred, one fourteen I think. I got the bill
the other day. Uh we use this band uh First USA. It's one of those low
interest ones in the mail.
Q: Uh huh.
A: I think that's the one I owe that few hundred dollars on I was
telling you about. But the Wachovia one is nothing.
Q: First USA do you know, is that around here do you know?
A: No that's out of
state. That's one of those you get in the mail, you know, low 2.9
interest (imitating the sound of a commercial) you know....
Q: Uh huh.
A: Or six percent interest. We get them things all the time and we got
outstanding credit I mean you can look at our credit rating and we get
credit card applications in the mail like, if I had a dollar for every
one I, God I'd be rich.
Q: Um hm.
A: Everybody wants to give me credit.
Q: How long have you had this one with First USA?
A: Uh a couple years.
Q: Couple years?
A: Yeah. Well I don't know. Maybe it's been a year.
Q: Do you know where they're located, what state?
A: She'd rotate. Trish would always what she'd do, she's conservative.
You know how they give those payoff kick _____ to the next and I don't
know. I'm trying to think a lot_ of time she would renew with this
company over here cause they get, offer it for a year. What they do is
they do it for a year and then she'd tear your card up, send it back
when it went up but uh she just, I had a wonderful wife. She was
conservative but I mean she, and I, most everything I have I owe to
her. They say behind every great man is a greater woman and Trish was
Q: Is that it as far as.....
A: Those debts on those credit cards were, I don't know, are hard
_____ but we never owed a credit card. She would have paid that off in
another week and I, you was just asking....
Q: No you're right and I'm glad you....
A: I mean that's what I know.
Q: And I tell you what it's also what I'm looking for so I'm glad you
mentioned it. Now what about your business here. Who'd you bank
through for the business?
A: Nations Bank. That's
why I knew the number.
Q: Nations Bank?
A: Yeah. It's just a _____ account.
Q: Do you owe anything on the business?
A: Uh yes I owe like I just bought it last year. I owe my parents some
money that I had _____ . I owe them like I'm thinking like fifteen.
Q: Fifteen thousand?
A: Fifteen thousand. And um _____ uh boss. I owe him like _____ .
Pretty good for a hundred thousand dollar company isn't it.
Q: So that's all you owe is twenty-two for the boss and fifteen
thousand for your parents?
A: (No audible response).
Q: Now you're parents have an equity loan so they're making regular
payments on that?
A: Yeah. They're making regular payments. What they did, is, you know,
I'm only twenty-five years old. Not too many twenty-five year olds own
half of what I own and uh, you know, knock on wood the Lord has really
blessed me. There's no doubt in my mind um I say he's blessed me, I
wonder some times with what all's happened. Urn my former boss treated
me like a son. I worked for him for ten years, eleven years _____
being here and I bought the company from him. Uh he financed the last
twenty five cause my parents wanted to see me have it and he did too
and they helped me come up with some of the money. I come up with some
of my own _____.
Q: But that's all you owe on it the fifteen thousand and the.... now
are you paying your parents back?
A: Of course.
Q: Are you paying the, the uh the equity line?
Q: I mean the payments for the equity loan? You're making the
A: Yes. It's only like two hundred and twenty-eight dollars a month?
Q: Two twenty-eight?
A: I think it's two twenty-eight, two seventy-eight. Somewhere in
there. It's, it was fluctuating
loan so, you know, I'm pretty sure _____.
Q: Are you paying.....
A: I normally pay three or four hundred dollars so I don't know...
Q: Uh, uh do you pay your parents or do you pay the bank?
A: Uh most, I pay the bank. I just write a check.
Q: Which bank is that?
A: Nations Bank. I mean uh everything's Nations Bank for me. My wife
got me on Wachovia cause she had it when we got married, she liked it,
she paid the bills, I let her do, you know, you know how it is. You
make the check, you hand it to her, she does the rest. What can I say
(laughs). She gives me an allowance.
Q: I know what you mean.
A: And which my allowance consisted of if I wanted it, she'd just go
out and get it.
Q: Who was your former boss?
A: Uh Gary P. Lyles. As a matter of fact he ran it all last week for
A: Yes sir. Gary P. Lyles.
Q: _____ called Lyles....
A: L-Y-L-E-S. His number, he lives at 26th Street Northeast, no, I'm
sorry, 26th Street, Long
Beach, North Carolina. Long Beach, _____ I forget the zip I, I'm
clueless uh phone number 910....
Q: You said he ran it for you last week because of everything that was
A: (No audible response)
Q: How's your business
Q: Do you have business
Q: Are they here or do
you have an accountant?
A: I have an accountant
Q: You have an
accountant. Does he take care of all your business?
A: Yeah I just, I fill
in the blanks and I send it to him.
Q: Okay. So he knows how you're business is doing pretty much? What's
A: It's General Business Services, Joe Gessinger.
Q: Joe Gessinger?
A: Yes. I kind of drew a
Q: Do you know what his number is?
A: I'm looking (laughs). Urn I don't have it here. I think it's over
in the other office but I can get it.
Q: How far away are they from here?
A: Down the street.
Q: Right down the street?
A: I'll tell you how to
get there once this is over.
Q: Okay. Yeah that's
cool, that'll work. So you're not having any uh business problems or
an.. an... as far as you concerned, you're not having any financial
A: (No audible response).
Q: Okay. You're not delinquent?
A: Pay the bills. I'm delinquent now. I'm supposed to pay some bills
but I've been out for the death and uh....
Q: Well when we say delinquent I mean are you....
A: No, I'm not.
Q: When you said delinquent how, what did you....
A: I say delinquent, delinquent to me I get thirty days on everything.
You know I'm thirty-five days, you know on a couple things because I
was out all week last week but I mean, having the money, yeah. All I
got to do is write the checks. Which just what I been working on all
morning, trying to do paper work _____.
Q: Let's pick back up again.
Q: Do you have any uh judgments against you?
Q: Have you ever had any judgments against you?
A: No. I've got perfect credit.
Q: Okay personal?
Q: Or business?
A: Perfect credit.
Q: Uh so is there any companies at all that, from, from your business
venture is there any companies at all um threaten you with judgments
A: No, never.
A: I mean we've been, most the time we pay, get the discount, you
know, pay within ten days or two weeks, you get the discount or take
your thirty days.
Q: Does your accountant also have a, a name of um companies, did you
do business on consignment?
A: Um he wouldn't have anything like that. I mean I don't take
anything on consignment. I take things on thirty days.
A: You know, it's a thirty day turnover. You buy about six thousand
dollars worth load, tractor load of lumber, bring it down here you
sell it an pay them back. So it's pretty easy. Most the time I admit,
here lately I been taking the thirty days. I can turn over my money,
buy more stuff, stock.
Q: And you have the information on your suppliers?
Q: Have you ever been married before?
Q: You don't have any other children then?
Q: So I guess the question I was asking you don't have, you're not
paying child support or anything like that?
Q: Do you have any other insurance policies on the house?
Q: Pardon me?
Q: Have you reported this claim to uh any other insurance companies?
A: No. My wife, of course.
Q: Right. But I mean the house?
Q: Have you had any other previous fires?
A: No. I've had burglaries but no fires.
Q: Okay. That was, again, what's your claims history I guess?
A: Um you all are canceling on me at the end of the month at the 31st
due to the fact of burglaries.
Q: How many burglaries have you had?
A: I've had, I had one four months ago and I had one a couple year...
a year or so ago.
Q: That's it?
A: Uh as far as my knowledge, she had one before I married her. If you
look in, well last, the
past history of burglaries _____.
Q: So you've had three burglaries before this incident?
Q: Okay. Have you always been insured with Maryland Casualty?
A: The best of my knowledge I mean as far, since I've been married and
I've known her.
Q: Um did you get notice that Maryland Casualty was canceling you?
Q: When did you get the
A: Approximately uh, I'm not sure. My wife gets the mail. I've just
seen it. I got one the other day. Matter of fact after all this
happened, I went last week and it was dated the 4th and I opened final
notice that they were canceling and it was from Miss uh Karen Hall uh,
can't remember her office. Anyway, her number's 230-1300.
Q: What's that your
Q: I'm sorry what was
that number again?
Q: Area code 910?
A: It's 230, I'm sorry. 230-1300, yes, of course, 910.
Q: Is she the agent that has you through Maryland Casualty?
Q: So I guess when you got the notice that you were being canceled you
went to Karen Hall?
A: No. I just disregarded it. I've been trying to get more insurance.
I'm a uh I called first, Monday last week, the day of my wife's murder
(pause) I called All State which is who we have our auto policy with.
I was going to combine my house _____ with the same insurance company,
get the discount rate but uh they were closed due to the Columbus Day
holiday and I got a answering machine but uh I haven't pursued it any
more under the circumstances.
A: I don't know who would give insurance on a house that's burnt down.
Q: Okay but you, uh well you didn't contact All State, you were gonna
contact them but they were closed?
A: Correct. I called and I got the answering machine.
Q: And All State Insurance Company carries your....
Q: Uh auto? What, what, did they also carry Patricia's auto as well?
A: Our auto.
Q: Your autos. How long have you been with them do you remember?
A: A year or two.
Q: A year or two. So Karen Hall is not your agent through All State
A: No um Charlie Gamine.
A: Yep Gamine. Uh I'll have to look that one up.
Q: Okay, no problem.
A: I do well to remember what I do remember.
Q: Who'd you have auto with before All State?
A: Uh it's not All State it's State Farm.
Q: Oh I'm sorry. I thought you said you had your auto with All State.
A: It's State Farm. Did I say All State? I had All State before State
Farm how's that? It's my, no I had my work auto with All State and I
dropped them. I mean they were so much more reasonable than State Farm
and her, I'm not sure who she had, her insurance _____.
Q: Okay so you had State Farm, you had All State and then you had
State Farm? You had All State for your automobiles and then you moved
to State Farm.
A: Okay let me say this one time. I was a high risk when I was young
because of speeding tickets. I was with_____ on my personal auto
policy alright. Then I achieved a clean work, driver record. My
company when I bought it had All State. I then changed everything to
State Farm. My wife, I'm not aware of who she had but went to State
Farm. Our boat is with State Farm. We were changing, in the process of
changing everything to State Farm. I mean, we had even talked about
dropping Maryland to go to State Farm but due to the paperwork and the
aggravation, we remained with Maryland. But it was until
now anyway that we would
have done it but we weren't going to but since they were canceling, we
were obviously gonna have to.
Q: Oh okay. And Charlie
is State Farm?
Yes. That's a long story
Q: (Laughs) But it's to
the point and I appreciate that. Okay I'm gonna ask you some personal
A: Ask me.
Q: If you feel they're too personal, just let me know okay because um
I'm an investigator and I ask questions.
A: Do your job.
Q: Um you told me how long you've known your wife. You've known her
since 1990. You met her at the uh....
A: A housewarming party.
Q: That she, but that she just bought her house?
A: Yes. She thought I was a smart alec punk kid with, cocky. Does that
describe most of our wives when we, they first meet us?
Q: (Laughs) Yes it does. Urn what, is there an age difference between
A: I'm two years uh, let me back up, she's two years older than me. I
like to pick at her I had a woman for a wife.
Q: What is uh do you remember her date of birth?
A: 9/14/67. Do you not know your wife's?
Q: Yeah. It took me a year to learn it though.
A: I was gonna say you be wise to not forget it either.
A: It's amazing how little it means to men but how much more it means
Q: That's true.
A: The little things.
Q: You're exactly right. Okay you dated from, dated from 1990?
A: _____. We were best
friends. (pause). I, I fell in love with Patricia I, I was dating
other people but yet I was always with Patricia. We got to where I
couldn't date other people because I couldn't forget about her. We
became so close that we were the best of friends.
Q: When did you start
A: _____ we, I just like
I said I _____, we, we started dating, we never really dated,
that's the hard part. _____.
Q: Well let me ask you
A: We and, alright let me make a long story short. I found a, _____ I
love Patricia and, and I realized one day that I just, I, nobody else
would ever be for me. I mean I'd date other people and it'd break her
heart. She loved me so much and she was always there for me _____. She
was there when I was, somebody hurt my feelings or somebody did this
to me or that. She was always the shoulder to cry on and I think
everybody knew the lord meant for us to be together but, but me. And
eventually, once I realized that I couldn't see anybody else but her,
we, we eloped and got married. I, I come home I said I'm just so fed,
up. I realized that I'd never be happy with anybody else _____ and uh
anyway about: a month, two months later, we eloped and got married and
we didn't tell anybody. My parents went with us, we went to Danson,
Virginia and got married and uh it was really great. It was so funny I
mean it was like a fairytale or something. We got married, we came
back, I had a basketball game that night. Oh it was, it was so funny
and uh we went_____ and uh as soon as we could, we went on a real
honeymoon and got away for a weekend but urn we uh we planned a
wedding and all of our church friends and everything. They didn't know
we were married so it was, it was really hard not to tell people. We
told a few uh we planned a big church wedding and everything and all
of our friends you know thought yeah they're getting married and we
got married in uh May the 7th and uh in a big church wedding and we
went on a honeymoon two weeks long.
Q: May 7th what?
A: Uh May the 7th uh last year.
A: Yeah. It's more like,
you know, it's supposed to be a year and a half but really it's almost
two years cause we were married December the 22nd in '93.
Q: Now you didn't get
two marriage licenses did you?
A: No, of course not.
A: But there was, who
had to sign one, we were already married, I mean.
Q: So you went through
the, the church um wedding as a procedural thing? I mean you knew
A: Correct, correct. We knew we were married. My Dad's a pastor. He
Q: At the church?
Q: At the Bap... the church....
A: Yeah. Uh Lawrence, my pastor at south end where I attend and my
Dad, we had the wedding at my Dad's church and see Lawrence would
automatically think that my Dad was on the li... marriage license but,
Q: But your Dad was with you when you got married in Danville correct?
Q: What, what about her parents were her parents with you?
A: Uh no but we told her Mom. We never told her Dad. Till this day I
don't think he knows. I'm not gonna tell him either it didn't hurt.
Q: Are they still
together her mother and father?
A: No they're divorced.
It's been a rough time _____Patricia _____. Her mother took it hard. I
don't know it's personal, long story.
Q: Right. How do you get
along with the parents?
A: Uh great. I mean they
both love me to death. Her Mom calls me her other son and her Dad
loves me to death.
Q: Okay. Aside from yourself, who would you say is um or was Pat's
close friend? Did she have a friend at work or a friend in, in....
A: You asked me and it went out the door. Uh Melissa is the little
girl's name but I cannot recall her name. Uh she grew up with Melissa.
I think that was her best friend because, you know, she just had a
birthday and Melissa was the only one that remembered from high
school. (End of tape)
Okay this is Gary Reilly. This is Tape B, Side A, it is uh 10:50. I'm
interviewing Mr. Ted Kimble.
Q: Do you understand I'm
recording this conversation?
Q: And I'm recording it
with your permission?
Q: Okay I'm sorry we
were talking about uh.....
A: Yeah Melissa is uh a
high school friend. She's only like 4 foot 5. I just, I know, I say I
think she's her best friend due to the fact that uh they grew up
together and uh out of the blue she called her, you know, a couple
weeks ago on her birthday and remind... wished her happy birthday and
it made Trish realize how much she appreciated Melissa because some of
her so called close friends didn't take this much effort.
Q: When was the last time she had seen Melissa?
A: Uh last Sunday at church.
Q: Does she see her frequently though?
A: Yes we, we I mean we're a tight group. We, we all go to church and
we're very church oriented and active. I mean we're fellowship leaders
in our class and we're all the time planning events like I told you we
had like forty some people at our house a couple weeks
ago for a luau. Um I
mean we have, I've got horse shoes and I got a volley ball court in my
back yard and a gazebo in the front yard, I mean we really, we have
really had a lot of people at our house. It's always, the door was
Q: What's Melissa's last name do you know?
A: I do not remember. Uh her other friend and also used to be roommate
is Gail Stein. And she works for Express Personnel in _____. _____.
A: Way out at Battle Grounds. She lives at _____ Ridge Apartments
where Trish worked. She used to be Trisha's roommate. She's real nice.
I seen her last night.
Q: How long has she known, how long has she known....?
A: Trish uh um _____ long time.
Q: Long time?
A: I say a long time now she didn't go to the hospital with her _____
but uh she, we've all known each other for a long time.
Q: If, if Trish was to talk about you I guess who would she talk, you
know, cause women have a tendency to
A: Yeah um....
And maybe not just necessarily you but life in general?
A: You're asking me an impossible question. You did, I mean, I told
you there was four or five, I mean a good five hundred people at the
A: I mean they're all the dear friends of ours uh I mean she's got so
many good friends I, I, there's no way I can answer that.
Q: How about for you? Who, aside from Trish who, who would be a,
considered a good friend of yours?
A: Aside from her.
Q: You know how many
guys that you play basketball with or anything like that?
A: I worked in my yard _____ . I never went off....
Q: Well your father would he be considered a good friend?
A: Yes. I, I'd say my Dad because we're real close. We, we've gotten
Q: And I guess also Mr. Lyles too?
A: Gary was my best friend. As a matter of fact, I mean Gary looked at
Trisha as his daughter and me as his son I mean Gary's my best friend
for several years. I mean he's been away for a year now, over a year,
a year and a half and we don't keep in touch like we used to but uh me
I practically like grew up with him and uh he was always trying to
make something out of me.
Q: How'd you do in school?
A: Uh B average..
Q: Did you go to college at all?
A: I, I mean I took pretty easy courses I mean I _____ in my grades.
Of course I didn't take no college prep or anything. It was, I
considered going to college. I made _____
but uh it's something I enjoyed but I gave up for this life. I _____ a
long time ago that if I'd stick it out _____ . In spite of what people
always said, you know how that is.
Q: What kind of hobbies did your wife have? Did she bowl?
Q: Or was she on any kind of team or any kind of?
A: Church was our hobby.
Q: You did that together then right?
Q: Well did she have any
hobbies separate from you?
A: (No audible response)
Q: Yes could you, when you guys went on the boat did you guys go out
on the boat by yourselves usually?
A: Yeah now that, that's something I didn't think about as far as
hobbies we'd go to the lake a lot and we _____ . That was one of our
big things I'd say, you say hobbies we loved to go skiing. She
couldn't ski cause she had a bad knee but she'd pull me and we'd take
a bunch of her friends. I mean we'd go, we went several times.
Q: Was there any particular friends that you took on a regular basis?
A: Uh her brother and his wife. We'd go a lot, they got a place up
there. We'd go with her family a lot. And also we took uh a couple
times this summer we went, had a church outing, you know, we took all
her friends. I got another friend that's got a boat and another one
that's got a couple _____ had a lot of _____.
Q: Okay her brother.
What was her brother's name?
Q: Is it Rubin, okay.
A: Yeah. Did I give you
his phone number? 674-6423. I'm sure I did.
Q: How many other
brothers and sisters did she have? Just Rubin?
Q: And her mother and
father are separated but do they live in this area?
A: Uh yes one lives in
Randleman, Level Cross area, the other lives a few miles from there.
Q: Do you know what
their numbers are by any chance?
Q: Well where's the
Q: How do you spell that?
A: Uh R-A-N-D-L-E man, Randleman.
Q: What, do you know her name?
A: Uh Sheila Blakely. I'm sorry, Brown. I'd get hit _____.
Q: Sheila Brown. Is she remarried or....
Q: Did she go back to her maiden name?
A: She _____.
Q: And her father....
A: It may legally be,
still be Blakely I'm not sure. Her father is Richard Blakely.
Q: Where does he live?
A: He lives in Pleasant
Q: Pleasant Gardens?
A: Yeah. He's not far I
just can't remember the name of the street. He's, he's just right down
the street. He's only a few miles.
Q: Who did she
communicate better with her father or her mother?
A: Well it's hard to
say. She always felt brow, brow beaten, you know, beat to death when
she got around her mom because you know her mom, you know how mothers
do they kind of lean on their daughters she'd come in all feeling beat
up. You know how that is. You're not gonna go tell her I said....
Q: No, no, no, no, no.
A: Well and she kind of,
it would make her real mad. She, we were just talking about this two
weeks ago she, cause we were spending a little bit of time with her
dad and she was talking about how far her Dad had came I mean her Dad
was the kind of person growing up I mean it was awful he would, he'd
sit in the other room while they I mean he was just, don't quote me on
this but I mean I, I remember when I was dating her he'd sit in a room
in his underwear and tee shirt with all the lights out just staring at
the wall. I mean quite right but I mean just sitting there, you know,
I mean we couldn't even. see the guy. He's come a long ways I mean he
acts, he acts fine now but I mean just having seen him like that and
we was talking about how he's come a long ways seeing more people and
Q: Now you don't go to your father's church correct?
A: Correct. Uh they
just, no offense to my Dad's church but more, more people your age
than mine. I, I'm young (laughs). How old are you?
A: Yeah I'm only
twenty-five. But we've got an outstanding single, college career, you
know _____ matter of fact, I know, marriage classes process is split
because we're so crowded in that room _____.
Q: And you and Trish
were very active in the church?
A: That's right.
Q: What's the name of the church?
A: South M Street.
Q: South M?
A: South M right down here. South M and B. South M Street Baptist
right on the corner of Ritters Lake Road and South M _____ . And I
know I'm saying it too fast. 1.5h Lawrence Clap is the pastor.
Q: Lawrence C-L-A-P?
A: Here's a card. _____ all morning we been going.
Q: Oh I'm finished.
A: I need to get to bed, head down there and _____ some work.
A: _____ let me see if I got _____.
Q: That's alright don't worry about it.
A: People, people are blood suckers. Do you believe that while all
that was going up somebody walked up, a contractor walked up to my Dad
and give him a card said he was for a contractor for restoration on
burnt houses. People blew my mind.
Q: Um hm.
A: I need to keep that.
Q: Have you ever been arrested before? You know have you ever been
suspected of any crimes?
Q: And just for, just for a recap than anything. The type of
relationship that you and your wife had?
Q: Okay. Um is, was there any, was there any incidences of uh of uh
spousal abuse on either side?
Q: Um does, so there's nobody out there that would say that you guys
had a bad relationship?
A: Not one. I, I want, I want you to find them. You'll look the rest
of your life.
Q: Um can't think of anything else. Do you have anything that you want
me to know or?
A: You need anything, to know anything ask me.
Q: Okay good enough, good enough. Thank you very much for your time I
Q: Do you understand this conversation has been recorded?
Q: And it's been recorded with your permission?
Q: Okay. Um for the record I didn't make any promises to get you to
give me this statement correct?
Q: You understand um my procedure in this is just to investigate the
claim that's outstanding correct?
Q: Right now it is eleven o' clock.
Theodore Kimble 214 F 507840
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